Vegasman
Mar 30, 01:04 PM
After a bit of thought I think I'm siding with Apple... here's why:
The strongest argument I've read against the trademark is that 'App Store' is describing the very thing it actually is. Someone likened this to renaming 'Windows' to 'Operating System'.
However what isn't appreciated is that 'App' is in itself an abbreviation. It's debatable whether apple popularised it not but thats not the point. Basically it would be like renaming 'Windows' to 'Ope System'.
I'd argue that 'Ope System' could be trademarked whereas 'Operating System' couldn't...
Nice try. But "app" and "application" have been synonymous for more than a decade. They have always been used interchangeably. "Ope System" and "Operating System" have not been used interchangeably.
2005: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-k...or-real-estate
2004: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1599324,00.asp
2003: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1191830,00.asp
The strongest argument I've read against the trademark is that 'App Store' is describing the very thing it actually is. Someone likened this to renaming 'Windows' to 'Operating System'.
However what isn't appreciated is that 'App' is in itself an abbreviation. It's debatable whether apple popularised it not but thats not the point. Basically it would be like renaming 'Windows' to 'Ope System'.
I'd argue that 'Ope System' could be trademarked whereas 'Operating System' couldn't...
Nice try. But "app" and "application" have been synonymous for more than a decade. They have always been used interchangeably. "Ope System" and "Operating System" have not been used interchangeably.
2005: http://www.marketwatch.com/story/a-k...or-real-estate
2004: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1599324,00.asp
2003: http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,1191830,00.asp
thejadedmonkey
Sep 4, 08:54 PM
Maybe I'm not doing this math right, but I'm not sure that's true. I can download a 4.7GB movie in about 2-3 hours over my internet connection (average speeds of 500Kb/sec). A 802.11a or g router transfers data at a max rate of 54Mbps or about 6.75MB/sec. That's about 12 times as fast, meaning that transmitting full DVD-quality video can occur in realtime, with plenty of bandwidth to spare to other functions while watching your movies. By the time HD video recording becomes standard, the Apple video airport express can be upgraded to 802.11n to provide even more bandwidth.
Do I have those figures wrong?
802.11g average transfer is 1/2 of it's max (on average). I'm too tired to do any math, but that would mean you'd only have 6 time as much speed, not 12.
Do I have those figures wrong?
802.11g average transfer is 1/2 of it's max (on average). I'm too tired to do any math, but that would mean you'd only have 6 time as much speed, not 12.
mmcc
Apr 22, 09:01 AM
go look at the pandora app. i don't see anyone complaining about that. This would essentially be the same thing except every song would be of your choice bc it's YOUR music.
Ok, I will complain. ;) I stopped using Pandora on my iPhone when AT&T began offering incentives to decrease 3G bandwidth usage (i.e. lower monthly bills).
Delivery of Pandora's stream also comes with the tradeoff of reduced fidelity and network interruptions, which I found barely acceptable for mobile application sans the bandwidth concerns above.
I also tired of the playlists that repeated with the free Pandora service and did not find it of enough value to myself personally to pay, especially if I was not guaranteed more variety of music.
That said, if you find Pandora useful, then good for you!
Ok, I will complain. ;) I stopped using Pandora on my iPhone when AT&T began offering incentives to decrease 3G bandwidth usage (i.e. lower monthly bills).
Delivery of Pandora's stream also comes with the tradeoff of reduced fidelity and network interruptions, which I found barely acceptable for mobile application sans the bandwidth concerns above.
I also tired of the playlists that repeated with the free Pandora service and did not find it of enough value to myself personally to pay, especially if I was not guaranteed more variety of music.
That said, if you find Pandora useful, then good for you!
mclihah2
Sep 13, 06:22 AM
I ordered a black 80GB Ipod last night, after approval from the wife.
I had a bad feeling about it, and promtly cancelled this morning.
My current Ipod is a 60GB Photo, and I have been looking to upgrade to video for some time, but I can't shake the feeling that this update was very minor, with a price reduction thrown into the equation.
I reckon, macworld in January there will be the iTV (or whatever it's called), and a new 6G widescreen iPod, with a few more movie companies thrown in.
So I think I'll ride it out until then.
I had a bad feeling about it, and promtly cancelled this morning.
My current Ipod is a 60GB Photo, and I have been looking to upgrade to video for some time, but I can't shake the feeling that this update was very minor, with a price reduction thrown into the equation.
I reckon, macworld in January there will be the iTV (or whatever it's called), and a new 6G widescreen iPod, with a few more movie companies thrown in.
So I think I'll ride it out until then.
Constable Odo
Apr 4, 12:17 PM
Too bad it won't serve as a warning to criminals to stop breaking into Apple stores. I hope it wasn't some white guard, black criminal shooting. That will really cause a lot of negative feedback.
Peace
Sep 5, 06:06 PM
Just copy it to the computer at home. How are the members of your family going to use a computer if you take the only one with you?
By using the BOX with the HARD DRIVE next to the TV!!
Damn..
Lets just agree to disagree and see what happens next Tuesday ok ? :)
By using the BOX with the HARD DRIVE next to the TV!!
Damn..
Lets just agree to disagree and see what happens next Tuesday ok ? :)
jaydub
Aug 28, 10:31 PM
wake up then, because it won't happen for awhile.
The current enclosure is very nice, so why change it?
Because people are so scared of immediate obsolescence that they'd rather hope for a new enclosure than enjoy what is currently out. It gets really old.
The current enclosure is very nice, so why change it?
Because people are so scared of immediate obsolescence that they'd rather hope for a new enclosure than enjoy what is currently out. It gets really old.
macnews
Sep 27, 02:25 AM
Did anyone notice Disney introduced their own cell phone service? Normally not much but given Steve's close ties to Disney perhaps they have shared some info? www.disneymobile.com
Some very interesting features, makes me think of things that might be available with a mac phone service.
Some very interesting features, makes me think of things that might be available with a mac phone service.
MorphingDragon
Apr 24, 07:21 AM
There are already AMD Fusion laptops from many vendors.
In America maybe.
AMD E-350's CPU is noticeably worse than the C2Ds in MBAs. It is better than Atom but can't fight against Intel's premium CPUs, especially if we take Sandy Bridge into consideration. The IGP is wonderful though.
Llano will hopefully change this since Zacate is meant for netbook and other cheap laptops. Llano will hopefully bring low-voltage chips meant for ultraportables like MBA. So far there are no news though.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked
I did say next gen.
In America maybe.
AMD E-350's CPU is noticeably worse than the C2Ds in MBAs. It is better than Atom but can't fight against Intel's premium CPUs, especially if we take Sandy Bridge into consideration. The IGP is wonderful though.
Llano will hopefully change this since Zacate is meant for netbook and other cheap laptops. Llano will hopefully bring low-voltage chips meant for ultraportables like MBA. So far there are no news though.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4023/the-brazos-performance-preview-amd-e350-benchmarked
I did say next gen.
iMeowbot
Sep 5, 06:18 PM
How does trademarking work in Europe? Here in the use you trademark something, and you don't have to specify what industry its in, or what the trademark is used for.
In the Us, if you want a registered mark, you do have to specify the use. That's why Apple can have a trademark for Mac, and MAC cosmetics can too, and McDonalds can have their Big Macs and so on.
You will find in just the USPTO records that the Apple logo is registered multiple times for different uses, and they seem to add one or two each year.
There is a whole separate issue with "famous" marks that can make the rights more expansive, but that is more the exception than the rule.
in Europe do you have to register it for each unique industry? Otherwise, why would they be reapplying if they already have it?
It's not just for an industry but for particular classes of products and services. In both the US and Europe there is a common classification system for this stuff (Nice Union, yet another WIPO treaty).
In the Us, if you want a registered mark, you do have to specify the use. That's why Apple can have a trademark for Mac, and MAC cosmetics can too, and McDonalds can have their Big Macs and so on.
You will find in just the USPTO records that the Apple logo is registered multiple times for different uses, and they seem to add one or two each year.
There is a whole separate issue with "famous" marks that can make the rights more expansive, but that is more the exception than the rule.
in Europe do you have to register it for each unique industry? Otherwise, why would they be reapplying if they already have it?
It's not just for an industry but for particular classes of products and services. In both the US and Europe there is a common classification system for this stuff (Nice Union, yet another WIPO treaty).
MacinDoc
Sep 2, 05:26 PM
When do you think C2D will be in MBPs? On the 5th? 12th?
They will be announced and shipping by the 12th. Based on Intel's new pricing, there's no reason to keep Core chips in any of Apple' computers, it will be Core2 across the board.
I too hope there is an user removable HD.
Given that the MB has this, it's a given that the revised MBPs will have it.
What are the odds that they will give us a 12'' option?
I'll leave that one to Multimedia.
They will be announced and shipping by the 12th. Based on Intel's new pricing, there's no reason to keep Core chips in any of Apple' computers, it will be Core2 across the board.
I too hope there is an user removable HD.
Given that the MB has this, it's a given that the revised MBPs will have it.
What are the odds that they will give us a 12'' option?
I'll leave that one to Multimedia.
Piggie
Apr 22, 11:24 AM
You don't own anything you download from the iTunes store now. You hold a license and are allowed to play or view it, but you do not own it.
Well no, not in the true sense of the word, but you do have the data and can use the data elsewhere.
In the same way technically you don't own the music on a record, or cassette or CD, but you do have the ability to use/listen to the music elsewhere.
I can just see this ability, which we have taken for granted since the 1st every records were sold to the public in around 1894 will soon, if big companies get there way and the public buy into it without thinking, will be coming to an end.
Well no, not in the true sense of the word, but you do have the data and can use the data elsewhere.
In the same way technically you don't own the music on a record, or cassette or CD, but you do have the ability to use/listen to the music elsewhere.
I can just see this ability, which we have taken for granted since the 1st every records were sold to the public in around 1894 will soon, if big companies get there way and the public buy into it without thinking, will be coming to an end.
Dmac77
Apr 25, 01:45 AM
OP you seem like you are nothing but spoiled know-it all brat. You probably won't stop until you kill someone on the road. :mad::mad::mad:
I wouldn't go so far as to kill someone. If I killed them, how could they learn a lesson?
-Don
I wouldn't go so far as to kill someone. If I killed them, how could they learn a lesson?
-Don
entwife
Apr 4, 12:21 PM
How sad,
I mean a person lost his life because of his actions, and the guard now has to live with the fact that he took a life. All for what - some iToys? Doesn't seem worth it. :(
Exactly.
What a waste.
I mean a person lost his life because of his actions, and the guard now has to live with the fact that he took a life. All for what - some iToys? Doesn't seem worth it. :(
Exactly.
What a waste.
torbjoern
Apr 25, 02:50 AM
conditional love. AKA the love of a spoiled brat.
And it's worth... ****-all...
Am I the only one that thinks this kid is completely FOS? He's that guy who has to torment everyone and lie about how smart and rich he is to make himself feel better about his shallow, lonely, crappy life. Typical internet tough guy.
Dude, good luck at "Harvard". You wouldn't last 10 minutes.
You certainly ain't the only one. Obvious troll is obvious.
And it's worth... ****-all...
Am I the only one that thinks this kid is completely FOS? He's that guy who has to torment everyone and lie about how smart and rich he is to make himself feel better about his shallow, lonely, crappy life. Typical internet tough guy.
Dude, good luck at "Harvard". You wouldn't last 10 minutes.
You certainly ain't the only one. Obvious troll is obvious.
dagger01
Mar 29, 12:40 PM
"IDC Projects Windows Phone to Top iPhone in Market Share by 2015"
ROFLMFAO...hahahahahahahahaha....wait....wait.....hahahahahahahaha
And donkey's might fly out of my butt. To say that MS would overtake anything in the smartphone market at this point is utterly ludicrous. I want some of what that IDC person is smoking!
ROFLMFAO...hahahahahahahahaha....wait....wait.....hahahahahahahaha
And donkey's might fly out of my butt. To say that MS would overtake anything in the smartphone market at this point is utterly ludicrous. I want some of what that IDC person is smoking!
MOFS
Mar 30, 11:35 AM
The thing to remember is that there are two words for "application". Apple use "application" (with the suffix .app) on OS X. Microsoft uses "Programs" (suffix .exe). Application is linked with Apple, so when they call it the "App Store" it is based on their previous use. "Prog Store" would also not be generic.
Cleverboy
Apr 19, 08:41 AM
They have plenty of patents. It wasn't until the 90s that the patent madness really started with software. Google is also leading the bidding for a large portfolio of mobile patents to protect them against Apple and Microsoft.
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/12/10/apple-nokia-others-bid-for-nortels-patent-treasure.aspx
Remember the last time Google made a HUGE move in an auction for something really important?
http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/fccspectrum_20071130.html
This time, they have more at stake (and wireless spectrum and patents are completely different things), but Google doesn't seem to have its heart in battles like this. They've patented their homepage and logo doodle... but those seem like jokes.
Also... I could have sworn major companies like Microsoft and Apple were trying to buy the Nortel patents under a unified entity at one point, but it fell through. Not sure how much of a rumor that was.
~ CB
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2010/12/10/apple-nokia-others-bid-for-nortels-patent-treasure.aspx
Remember the last time Google made a HUGE move in an auction for something really important?
http://www.google.com/intl/en/press/pressrel/fccspectrum_20071130.html
This time, they have more at stake (and wireless spectrum and patents are completely different things), but Google doesn't seem to have its heart in battles like this. They've patented their homepage and logo doodle... but those seem like jokes.
Also... I could have sworn major companies like Microsoft and Apple were trying to buy the Nortel patents under a unified entity at one point, but it fell through. Not sure how much of a rumor that was.
~ CB
vitaboy
Aug 24, 05:01 AM
I hope you're joking about that. iTunes is not about making money for apple
It may not be making the kind of money that iPod is making, but iTunes is indeed making money for Apple. Indeed, it has become a significant revenue story for Apple, if only recently.
In fact, contrary to popular belief, iTMS has been marginally profitable for many quarters now, although of course its profit margins are small compared to iPods and Macs.
Just remember - iTunes is profitable and a billion plus song sales a year makes it a Top 10 music retailer in the U.S., behind only the likes of Walmart, Best Buy, Target, and FYE.
iTunes Outsells Traditional Music Stores (http://news.com.com/iTunes+outsells+traditional+music+stores/2100-1027_3-5965314.html)
It's the iTunes wannabes that are neither profitable nor revenue machines! ;-)
It may not be making the kind of money that iPod is making, but iTunes is indeed making money for Apple. Indeed, it has become a significant revenue story for Apple, if only recently.
In fact, contrary to popular belief, iTMS has been marginally profitable for many quarters now, although of course its profit margins are small compared to iPods and Macs.
Just remember - iTunes is profitable and a billion plus song sales a year makes it a Top 10 music retailer in the U.S., behind only the likes of Walmart, Best Buy, Target, and FYE.
iTunes Outsells Traditional Music Stores (http://news.com.com/iTunes+outsells+traditional+music+stores/2100-1027_3-5965314.html)
It's the iTunes wannabes that are neither profitable nor revenue machines! ;-)
MrSmith
Apr 22, 02:51 AM
I have no idea how this would be useful. Buffer times, connection loss, no WiFi around, these are all problems that will prevent this from working.
What's wrong with storing music on hard drives locally?
They'll be able to remove the Flash drive from iPhones and use the extra space for wizardry.
What's wrong with storing music on hard drives locally?
They'll be able to remove the Flash drive from iPhones and use the extra space for wizardry.
crap freakboy
Sep 12, 02:10 PM
I was expecting more....but I'm a 'glass half empty' sort of fella
nemaslov
Sep 15, 06:10 PM
then why can't McGiver (MacGiver) make it right now?:D
surf2snow1
Mar 30, 11:48 AM
I want my 5 mins back from reading this article and writing this post......
:apple:
Sue M$
:apple:
Sue M$
mojohojo
Apr 19, 11:12 PM
what if samsung got rid of their UI and used Android?
then it would be just like any other smart phone on the market.
**** apple! lets all email our thoughts to steve jobs
then it would be just like any other smart phone on the market.
**** apple! lets all email our thoughts to steve jobs