dondark
Sep 13, 11:22 PM
I dont like touchscreen, we will make it dirty very easily.
aegisdesign
Sep 10, 08:34 AM
I mean people are saying that Conroe is too hot for the iMac as it is (I don't think they are) but Kentsfield is two Conroe dies on one package. Meaning almost double the power consumption and heat generation.
The thermal requirements for Yonah and Merom are 35W. Conroe is 65W. The old G5 at 2Ghz was 39W so roughly the same as Yonah/Merom although the power management wasn't as good with it not being a laptop chip.
The Core 2 Extreme version of Conroe has a 75W rating. Kentsfield is being introduced as a Core 2 Extreme chip first so I'd guess it also has a 75W rating.
Chances of seeing a Conroe Quad in an iMac - non-existent.
The thermal requirements for Yonah and Merom are 35W. Conroe is 65W. The old G5 at 2Ghz was 39W so roughly the same as Yonah/Merom although the power management wasn't as good with it not being a laptop chip.
The Core 2 Extreme version of Conroe has a 75W rating. Kentsfield is being introduced as a Core 2 Extreme chip first so I'd guess it also has a 75W rating.
Chances of seeing a Conroe Quad in an iMac - non-existent.
MrSmith
Oct 28, 04:08 AM
Maybe a new user title: double talker.
Damned if I can make head nor tail of the last few posts. Maybe I'm stewpid. :(
Damned if I can make head nor tail of the last few posts. Maybe I'm stewpid. :(
iGary
Sep 12, 03:29 PM
Apple announces a decent upgrade to a great product
That was already a YEAR OLD.
That was already a YEAR OLD.
Machead III
Sep 20, 03:19 AM
And a hearty Amen and hell yeah for that!
Maybe someone shoudl get to work on adding subtitles to Itunes 7 and FrontRow then. Missing that feature was so ****ing dense of Apple.
Maybe someone shoudl get to work on adding subtitles to Itunes 7 and FrontRow then. Missing that feature was so ****ing dense of Apple.
wazgilbert
Apr 28, 03:49 PM
Microsoft is still doing very well. They're making the best products they ever have done and as a customer I am very pleased with all of my Microsoft purchases.
- Zune desktop software
- Zune hardware and mobile software
- Windows Phone 7
- Windows 7
- Office 2010
- Office 2011 for Mac
- Xbox 360
- Xbox Live
All great products and deserve to be class leaders if they are not already. I can't think of another company (including Apple) that has put out such a fantastic range of very good products.
"Non-mac fan in Macrumors comment shocker"
- Zune desktop software
- Zune hardware and mobile software
- Windows Phone 7
- Windows 7
- Office 2010
- Office 2011 for Mac
- Xbox 360
- Xbox Live
All great products and deserve to be class leaders if they are not already. I can't think of another company (including Apple) that has put out such a fantastic range of very good products.
"Non-mac fan in Macrumors comment shocker"
gnasher729
Jul 20, 03:43 AM
But you are right that the thermals of Conroe could be a problem. I'm not sure how much of a difference speed-step will make. Although it is the most power-efficient desktop chip out there, it consumes less power under load than Pentium D's at idle:
The new version of Speedstep that is available from Yonah upwards seems to be quite good. The operating system can reduce the clockspeed, but at lower clockspeed it can also reduce the voltage, and power consumption is proportional to (clockspeed x voltage x voltage).
So my idea would be: A control that lets you set "maximum fan noise". If you need to render an hour of video, you should set it to maximum, if you are doing audio recordings with your Mac and want it silent you set it to minimum. That control also shows whether your clockspeed has been throttled, so if you prefer the Mac fast instead of quiet, you can have that as well. So you get the best of both worlds.
The new version of Speedstep that is available from Yonah upwards seems to be quite good. The operating system can reduce the clockspeed, but at lower clockspeed it can also reduce the voltage, and power consumption is proportional to (clockspeed x voltage x voltage).
So my idea would be: A control that lets you set "maximum fan noise". If you need to render an hour of video, you should set it to maximum, if you are doing audio recordings with your Mac and want it silent you set it to minimum. That control also shows whether your clockspeed has been throttled, so if you prefer the Mac fast instead of quiet, you can have that as well. So you get the best of both worlds.
Stridder44
Apr 14, 11:56 AM
I think my next computer will be an Ivy Bridge MBA with Thunderbolt. My 2007 Macbook is getting a bit long in tooth.
Same thoughts here. My early '08 MBP is starting to really show its' age (especially its' 8600M GT).
Thank goodness Intel will be supporting USB3 for our peripherals.
I'm sure I'm not the only one here who is barely tolerating the mouse and keyboard lag from the slower USB2 port.
You know that hard drives and other devices see a nice speed gain wi-- never mind, I know you must be joking and know the real benefits of USB 3.
Now that it's part of the platform Apple has no excuse for not including it. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see a MBP with this platform that still only has 2.0 connectors.
Heh, that is totally something Apple would manage to do.
"But sir, we can't remove it, it's built into the chipset itself..."
"I don't care, damn it. Re-solder an older chipset on to it then."
"But..." *head asplodes*
Same thoughts here. My early '08 MBP is starting to really show its' age (especially its' 8600M GT).
Thank goodness Intel will be supporting USB3 for our peripherals.
I'm sure I'm not the only one here who is barely tolerating the mouse and keyboard lag from the slower USB2 port.
You know that hard drives and other devices see a nice speed gain wi-- never mind, I know you must be joking and know the real benefits of USB 3.
Now that it's part of the platform Apple has no excuse for not including it. However, it wouldn't surprise me to see a MBP with this platform that still only has 2.0 connectors.
Heh, that is totally something Apple would manage to do.
"But sir, we can't remove it, it's built into the chipset itself..."
"I don't care, damn it. Re-solder an older chipset on to it then."
"But..." *head asplodes*
brad.c
Sep 12, 02:20 PM
I feel vindicated in my 60GB 5G purchase a few months back, particularly since I got it on sale. If I can upgrade the software, I'm all chuckles. Besides, I've almost never found the screen brightness an issue.
I do wish I could ultra-boost the audio on-board. Some of the video digitizations I have are too quiet.
I do wish I could ultra-boost the audio on-board. Some of the video digitizations I have are too quiet.
caspersoong
Apr 30, 08:36 PM
Redesign please... Give Jonny Ive some chance to show his awesome work.
SMacDuff
Apr 25, 02:55 PM
That is exactly what I envision for the next Mac Book Pro. Take a MacBook Air make it just thick enough to handle an additional 2.5" Hard Drive, dedicated graphics, and a high performance processor. Ditch the optical drive, make SSD+HD the standard configuration.
This!
Please do not make a MBP line with carbon fiber (sooo 2008!). It looked ok then but now I'm just sick of it. I truly believe Apple has other plans for their Liquidmetal purchase, my guess is for future battery tech as described a few months ago. The optical drive is finished. All signs point to Apple getting rid of it and the sooner they do so, the better. The only foreseeable problem with the OP's suggestion is cost. Given the MB Air's price point, what happens to the prices in the MBP line?
This!
Please do not make a MBP line with carbon fiber (sooo 2008!). It looked ok then but now I'm just sick of it. I truly believe Apple has other plans for their Liquidmetal purchase, my guess is for future battery tech as described a few months ago. The optical drive is finished. All signs point to Apple getting rid of it and the sooner they do so, the better. The only foreseeable problem with the OP's suggestion is cost. Given the MB Air's price point, what happens to the prices in the MBP line?
jemmX
Sep 10, 09:15 AM
Predictions ...
MBP 20" inch (1920 x 1200)
Quad-core
4gb ram
Dual HD = 250gb 7200rpm Raid 0
Superdrive HD w/lightscribe
iSight HD
Audio Digital & analog in/out
Vram 512MB GDDR 4 (PCI Xpress, HDMI + DVI + TV)
3 - USB 2 / 2 - FW 400 / 2 - FW 800 / 1 - Sata
Dual Ethernet
PCMCIA
Leopard
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
MBP 20" inch (1920 x 1200)
Quad-core
4gb ram
Dual HD = 250gb 7200rpm Raid 0
Superdrive HD w/lightscribe
iSight HD
Audio Digital & analog in/out
Vram 512MB GDDR 4 (PCI Xpress, HDMI + DVI + TV)
3 - USB 2 / 2 - FW 400 / 2 - FW 800 / 1 - Sata
Dual Ethernet
PCMCIA
Leopard
:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
EagerDragon
Aug 28, 05:01 PM
I bet they announce tomorrow and available on the 5th. That will match with the bulk shipment.
arn
Sep 10, 05:06 AM
Surely Conroe needs to go somewhere in Apple's lineup? Great value, fast and soon to be quad-core.
ya, there really appears to be no space for the Conroe chip in Apple's lineup... at least with the decisions they've made so far in updating the iMac to Merom.
arn
ya, there really appears to be no space for the Conroe chip in Apple's lineup... at least with the decisions they've made so far in updating the iMac to Merom.
arn
GFLPraxis
Apr 14, 12:07 PM
Drat, I just bought a MBP, first laptop upgrade in 4 years :(
Hopefully we get a Thunderbolt-to-USB3 connector.
Hopefully we get a Thunderbolt-to-USB3 connector.
Sabenth
Aug 23, 05:31 PM
So dose this mean ms can sue apple if they decided to use wifi in ipods ????
dwsolberg
Apr 4, 11:54 AM
The whole thing is sad for all involved � the people who committed the crimes and the security guard (really?) who killed one of them.
That said, this sort of thing does deter crime.
P.S. To the person who said that shooting someone in the head is "no accident," that's very unlikely to be true. It's extremely difficult to accurately hit a moving target. That's why police are trained to aim for center mass. (It's like aiming for the bullseye in hopes you'll hit somewhere on the target.)
That said, this sort of thing does deter crime.
P.S. To the person who said that shooting someone in the head is "no accident," that's very unlikely to be true. It's extremely difficult to accurately hit a moving target. That's why police are trained to aim for center mass. (It's like aiming for the bullseye in hopes you'll hit somewhere on the target.)
LJB
Mar 23, 04:51 PM
US Senators (and Congressmen) write the laws of this country. If they want to make this type of information illegal, they are the ones who write the laws so they should do it that way. But as other people noted, there are some states which have laws making DUI checkpoint locations public information.
Bottom line, just because a Senator or two asks Apple to do something does not mean Apple should. They are doing it this way (the easy way) because it would be very difficult to pass as a law and it might not hold up in court.
Bottom line, just because a Senator or two asks Apple to do something does not mean Apple should. They are doing it this way (the easy way) because it would be very difficult to pass as a law and it might not hold up in court.
donlphi
Sep 6, 07:41 PM
I don't think low rez is even an option for TV viewing, apple wouldn't release something they'd know was doomed to fail.
uh...
Apple III
LISA
The Newton
The G4 Cube
The Apple Hi-Fi (who the hell got suckered into that one?)
I swear steve jobs had a nephew or something that he let design a product for the iPOD. What a worthless system that is. IT FITS ON THE SHELF, BUT NOT WITH AN IPOD IN IT!!! GENIUS!!
APPLE REMOTE??
Do I really need to keep listing things?
All this Disney talk and it could get ugly at the iTUNES Movie Store.
:D
uh...
Apple III
LISA
The Newton
The G4 Cube
The Apple Hi-Fi (who the hell got suckered into that one?)
I swear steve jobs had a nephew or something that he let design a product for the iPOD. What a worthless system that is. IT FITS ON THE SHELF, BUT NOT WITH AN IPOD IN IT!!! GENIUS!!
APPLE REMOTE??
Do I really need to keep listing things?
All this Disney talk and it could get ugly at the iTUNES Movie Store.
:D
viperguy
May 3, 10:17 AM
Still USB 2.0
Meh.
Meh.
prady16
Sep 14, 08:59 AM
Any news if Steve will give a keynote in the special event preceeding photokina?
Pavia
Mar 22, 06:31 PM
Finally some iMac news :)!
Getting a high-end 27" no matter what. My early 2010 MacBook Pro was stolen in last february, and I've been using a ****** PC ever since. I want a Mac again!
Getting a high-end 27" no matter what. My early 2010 MacBook Pro was stolen in last february, and I've been using a ****** PC ever since. I want a Mac again!
Chundles
Sep 9, 01:44 AM
Is 20% speed improvement a lot for a core 2 designation?
The designation "Core 2" comes from the fact that it's a whole new architecture in the chip. The original "Core" processors aren't based on the Core architecture, they were based on the Pentium M. The Core 2 processors (Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest) are based on a 65nm dual-core 64 bit architecture - the desktop and workstation chips are based around the mobile Merom architecture.
Core 2 promised about 20% more performance at the same power requirement as the Core chip at the same clockspeed.
The designation "Core 2" comes from the fact that it's a whole new architecture in the chip. The original "Core" processors aren't based on the Core architecture, they were based on the Pentium M. The Core 2 processors (Merom, Conroe and Woodcrest) are based on a 65nm dual-core 64 bit architecture - the desktop and workstation chips are based around the mobile Merom architecture.
Core 2 promised about 20% more performance at the same power requirement as the Core chip at the same clockspeed.
Multimedia
Jul 17, 04:33 PM
I don't want to buy and sell for a month use.
If the chip is comeing out on staurday (23rd) doesnt that mean that they MBPs will chip the 7th? seeing as how the chip would already be out...Not sure if introduction will mean shipping in quantity by then. Think Apple may need time to build invintory 'til September so they can fill orders upon announcement. I would love to see it happen for everyone August 7th. I just don't think it's wise to get your hopes up for that to be the day.
Seems like the Mac Pro and Leopard will be more than enough for August 7th. September 12th seems like a more logical time to spotlight Merom in MacBook Pros in Paris like they did with the 15" Aluminum 1.25GHz PowerBook G4 three years ago. That's when USB 2 and FW 800 ports were added to the line as well. At the time it was a very big power shift-up among the mobile Macs. :)
I have that three year old model PB so I am like you waiting for a 2.33 GHz Merom MacBook Pro to ship. I'm OK with my old mobile though. 'Cause I'm hooked on my Quad at home all the time now. ;)
If the chip is comeing out on staurday (23rd) doesnt that mean that they MBPs will chip the 7th? seeing as how the chip would already be out...Not sure if introduction will mean shipping in quantity by then. Think Apple may need time to build invintory 'til September so they can fill orders upon announcement. I would love to see it happen for everyone August 7th. I just don't think it's wise to get your hopes up for that to be the day.
Seems like the Mac Pro and Leopard will be more than enough for August 7th. September 12th seems like a more logical time to spotlight Merom in MacBook Pros in Paris like they did with the 15" Aluminum 1.25GHz PowerBook G4 three years ago. That's when USB 2 and FW 800 ports were added to the line as well. At the time it was a very big power shift-up among the mobile Macs. :)
I have that three year old model PB so I am like you waiting for a 2.33 GHz Merom MacBook Pro to ship. I'm OK with my old mobile though. 'Cause I'm hooked on my Quad at home all the time now. ;)